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PostSubject: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:05 am

Many of us remember growing up during the beginnings of Christian rock, and eventually, metal. Many of us remember how a large portion of the church condemned the subculture, referring to it as the devil's music, and all kinds other stuff, which I'm not getting into.

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I am seeing a lot of the folks from the metal crowds who were shunned at mocked back 25-30 years ago doing the same thing today with a lot of the praise and worship music that has become the staple in churches. (NOTE-I'm not talking about anyone here.) 

It's one thing to not like that kind of music. That's your right. You don't like Chris Tomlin, and I don't care to listen to Impending Doom. No harm there. But the thing that's beginning to grind my gears is that a lot of those ostracized metal fans from the 80's/90's are doing the same thing today, calling out churches and ministries like Ihop, Bethel, and Hillsong as cults and heretics. 

Why must it be this way? At the end of the day, it's MUSIC!! You either like it or you don't. Again, I'm okay with that. I just don't understand why my generation seems to be repeating the same mistakes that our elders did before us.
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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:51 am

Why do we do it?  Because we are fallen men steeped in sin that are only saved by the grace of God.  Humanity sucks--but God loves us.  Thank you, Lord!

You are right, though.  I've been guilty of it as many of the rest of us here have.  We continually polarize and divide over stupid things, really.  Then, we wonder why lost people aren't beating a path to the church doors to be just like us.

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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:37 pm

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You are right, though.  I've been guilty of it as many of the rest of us here have.  We continually polarize and divide over stupid things, really.  Then, we wonder why lost people aren't beating a path to the church doors to be just like us.

Yeah me too, sadly.

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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:38 pm

We're religious, as people, and I don't mean about our faith (although sometimes that's true). We think our way is right and others are wrong.

That's why I don't post much in the music part of the forum. I listen to punk and alternative and very little metal. And the metal I do like, is of the more extreme variety. But I don't try to push what I like out there, I just post when it's relevant.

This is also half the reason why I have zero interest in politics anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:28 am

I don't think it is just a church/Christian thing.  So many people don't seem to be able to just enjoy what they like without diminishing things that are different.  I've done my fair share of Beiber/1D/Taylor Swift bashing, but I listened to 1989 a few weeks ago and it really is a pretty good album.  I mean, it's not something I would buy and listen to, but I'm a 44 year old man, I'm not her audience.  But she is a competent singer, a very talented songwriter, and (as far as I've seen) performs fully clothed.  I think pop music could use a few more Taylor Swifts. 

As someone who truly enjoys both styles of music, I have never quite understood, but thoroughly enjoyed, the animosity between metal and rap fans.  Listen to a metal fan criticize rap.  Listen to a rap fan criticize metal.  They are saying almost the exact same thing!!!  "It doesn't take any talent to do that."  "It is just noise."  "It's what you do if you can't sing."  There are many more similiarities between rap and metal than either group wants to admit.
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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:51 pm

I often find myself caught in the middle of this problem, being a long-time metal fan who also plays all this worship music at church, but I have learned things from both ends of the spectrum that serve me well in every music session I play.
No one at church seems to mind that I'm a metal guy when there's a tricky guitar or bass part that we have to figure out, or when there is a high note that needs to be sung with some power behind it...and none of the metal guys seem to mind when I pass on tips I've learned in church about playing with good dynamics or listening to the other band members in order to play tighter.
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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:36 pm

On Facebook I often read people's scathing comments against certain artists or styles of music and just laugh.  I don't feel the need to tell everyone how much I hate so-and-so, and do it with multiple adjectives.  If I don't like a band or artist or style, I just don't post. Simple as that.
Another reason I love it here at CHM. Almost NEVER read that kind of stuff (unless it's Staybrite joking  Razz ). We're all pretty respectful of each other's tastes.

I seem to be a minority in that, I LOVE metal/rock classic rock the most, but also dig most every other style of music including hardcore, rap, modern country, folk, and a ton of other styles.  I can relate to everyone here as I like most of what's posted about... but like ishmael81 I don't post about a lot of bands or styles as they just don't fit the forum. No big deal to me. And if I felt it necessary to post about a band with a different style, I'd post in the Melting Pot.

Besides, I hate arguing or trying to convince someone they need to like or hate something just cuz that's what I like or hate. Makes no sense to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:28 pm

I wasn't joking..... Neutral

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...If I don't like a band or artist or style, I just don't post. Simple as that....

Ha, I didn't think there was a band or style you didn't like!  Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:16 pm

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I wasn't joking.....


Sorry... I was being silly about previous times when you've made comments that appeared to be serious, but we knew you were joking.. ie like if you said something like "that's why I don't listen to that rock and roll stuff" or similar.
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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:39 pm

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G/F wrote:...If I don't like a band or artist or style, I just don't post. Simple as that....Staybrite wrote:
Ha, I didn't think there was a band or style you didn't like! 

Well, if you must know... and you did ask (kind of) -

I cannot stomach Opera, Grindcore, and twangy old-school inbred country music. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:52 pm

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I wasn't joking.....


Sorry... I was being silly about previous times when you've made comments that appeared to be serious, but we knew you were joking.. ie like if you said something like "that's why I don't listen to that rock and roll stuff" or similar.

Oh, I was just kidding about not joking.  geek

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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:36 pm

You sir, are a brat ! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:14 am

Guilty/Forgiven wrote:
You sir, are a brat ! lol!

I've heard that before, I suspect it might be true. ROTFL

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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:07 am

B.R.A.T.--that is how they used to spell A.D.H.D.  lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Ostracized crowds-then and now   Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:34 am

This is confusing me.
Maybe I have to read it again to understand what you'll mean.
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